18 signs the Philippine Hospital Scam Hoax could be real!

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1. Lloyd on April 28th, 2008 2:51 pm

   Isn’t it always strange, that when a foreigner goes to
   the Philippines, and creates problems for himself, and
   then realizes what he did was foolish and stupid, they
   then blame the filipina for all his woes? You can’t be
   scammed if you are not a willing participant.

2. reyna elena on April 28th, 2008 11:08 pm

   Hi Don,

   Thank you for visiting and commenting on my site. I read his blog beginning April 16 up to April 21 and even on the 22nd when I finally posted my article. I dissected his entries and all of my conclusions are pointed towards exactly what he said or wrote in his blog. Ellumbra would spend over 18 hours everyday in my blog and he read it all, even my request that he take down those blogs. Apparently he’s in this for the long haul.

   So far, my little experiment is doing great. I have now dislodged him in the 1st place on the same exact keywords that he’s using. In the meantime, he continues to open temporary websites and is really bent on blanketing the internet heavily.

   Thanks once again!

   Reynz

3. Don on April 28th, 2008 11:19 pm

   Reyna

   Thanks for visiting the Fil Am Forum Report. It seems Ellumbra has nothing better to do than search our blogs..

   He’s visited mine quite a bit but not 18 hours a day!!!

   I think you’re doing fine keep up the good work…

   Don

4. The Ca t on April 29th, 2008 2:10 am

   was there an egg? I did not know that he is a goose. I thought he is a gander. One meaning of goose is simpleton.

   meow

5. kengkay on April 29th, 2008 10:32 am

   hahaha, i love this! the thing is, he lives in a fantasy world of his own and when reality kicked in, he screamed he’s been scammed! i am married to a foreigner and although he’s never been to the philippines; he immediately adjusted to everything during his first trip there. he used the tabo to shower, he used the timba to flush the toilet and whatever

6. Ripe for Picking on April 29th, 2008 11:04 am

   I first noticed “my” filipina on Christian Singles. Was not looking for filipina initially. What caught my attention was the “will date man 18-50″. I was 37 she was 26. That got me started on filipina “dating”. After 3 years of emials to her and countless other filipinas, I decided to “settle” with the most level-headed one, not as pretty as the others, but seemed sincere, honest, godly.

   By then I was 40 she was 29. I visited and was blown away by her kindness, and her brothers (the local preacher) sincerity. PATIENCE is there virtue. They patiently worked me, over the next few months out of 20K USD. To this date I am still not sure what happened.

   I have introspected ad-naseum. Was the money truly used for hospital bills? I have countless official reciepts? Did the neice really die? I have photos from the hospital. Why on earth would I give out so much money I dont have? I thought it was noble, but my gut screamed it was stupid.

   I am totally wiped out (not financialy but mentally, emotionally) from the events. In the end, after a second visit, still on good terms of course, when it came down to marry me or not, it was not. She would absolutely not marry me. Even though I am descent, good looking, high income earner, honest!!! (this is a defect in that country), but most of all stupid.

   I did not know that: A theif only sees your wallet, they do not see you as a saint. The wallet is their survival. They will do what they need to survive. AND to those who would say it was a bad seed, to not generalize, let me say this. She was the product of 3 years of patient courting of ME. Then 1 year of exploitation by her and family in tandem. Very well executed and planned. I would say she is cunning, intellegent and bent on money for moneys sake.

   Where did the money go? I am not sure. I suspect real estate. How about that. But I am off point. I have corresponded with perhaps 50 filipinas over the 3 years I looked. Before I got entangled with the “one”. And all had a sad story to ask for money in advance. ALL MY FRIENDS. The only 1 that did not have a sad story was the one who drew my financial blood. Cause she is skilled in deciept and patience.

   My god! There is more: I was not always bitter toward the Filipino. Many men I have seen have married there gal. But I have seen these “simple” Filipinas cheat on them. I have seen same gals who are single want the same thing American gals want: money, prestige, prince charming. I don’t get it. Every gal online has tried to scam. When in the country, sellers try to scam, guards extort fees, everywhere you look you are a target.

   How can anyone truly find a simple Filipina. I think the SIMPLE FILIPINA is an URBAN LEGEND. They may have existed 10 years ago, to those men to claim it. But in todays world, there is not simple gal. IT’s all about the MONEY. Period. — Do reply. Thanks.

7. ron on April 29th, 2008 9:08 pm

   and on and on we go…lol

8. Lloyd on April 29th, 2008 9:21 pm

   Ripe for Picking

   May I ask you a few questions?

   Why did you feel the need to help this girl and
   her family? Was it because you thought if you
   did not give her the money, someone else would,
   and you would lose her?

   Maybe you have suffered enough, but you have to
   admit, you were a willing participant. People generally
   do not easily part with $20,000 unless they think they
   will get something in return.

   And to answer you last question, yes there are still
   many filipinas that would make someone a wonderful
   wife. It’s just that you cannot “buy” one, like you attempted.

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14. Beng on April 30th, 2008 1:20 am

    The Ca T,

    Huwag mo ng hanapin ang egg. Sa fantasy world niya lang siya isang GOOSE. In real world, he is only a GOOSE PIMPLE. Hehehe.

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16. jepoy on April 30th, 2008 3:11 am

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19. Ripe for Picking on April 30th, 2008 7:53 pm

    Author: Lloyd
    Comment:
    Ripe for Picking

    May I ask you a few questions?

    Why did you feel the need to help this girl and
    her family? Was it because you thought if you
    did not give her the money, someone else would,
    and you would lose her?

    No. No one initially asked me for money. I was told niece was in hospital. I called hospital directly and sent $500. This was what I am sure caught the families attention. NOTE: In retrospect this is also what caught her attention toward saying YES to marriage. Prior to that she had said NO.

    There were no other men involved to my knowledge. No fear of losing her. Not like that at all.

    I suspect now (over 1.5 years ago) that the giving of money (I was naïve in that $500 is a lot) drew out more than noble reasons to lead me on.

    Maybe you have suffered enough, but you have to
    admit, you were a willing participant. People generally
    do not easily part with $20,000 unless they think they
    will get something in return.

    It is hard to tell when you are a willing participant when the process is very slow. You have heard the saying of cooking a frog in water, if done slowly the frog does not detect the water getting hot. Well, it was sort of like that. That niece for which I have lots of hospital pictures and official receipts did not improved and remained in the hospital. So the money kept flowing. It was not 20K in one shot. Why that would set off alarms of scam, right? It was slow drawing over time.

    Lack of knowledge was my enemy. I did not realize that USD go far in the Phils. Blame me for being naieve, this has surely snapped me out of that.

    Something in return? Well, 20K will buy a lot of women here in the US, why spend it afar? I guess I thought I was being noble. Given the excuse that the neice needed money for prolonged hospital stay. The recipes show a long duration. And the whole family all pleaded, the mother, the brother, I mean it was a concerted effort by squatters. (Now I now what that means, I did not know before). I would say the bottom line for me was NAIVENESS about what people will do in a poverty country. Am I to be blamed for that?

    Still naïve or not, that should not excuse robbery.

    It is my opinion now that these folks think they are entitled to your money because of their poverty. Like its their right, and the right thing to do. BUT YOU have to remember, the money was not for food. It was for REAL ESTATE in the end.

    And to answer you last question, yes there are still
    many filipinas that would make someone a wonderful
    wife. It’s just that you cannot “buy” one, like you attempted.

    If I attempted to buy one, I guess I was doing that without fully realizing it. I can see how people would think that. It is not the first time I hear that. I would ask to you consider these things: My initial thought were never to buy a woman. How can I buy a women? Even here, if I give a woman money, when it runs out she is gone. So again, I was NOT trying to buy a woman. So I think so. I will have to look deeper into my motives.

    But I DO have an opinion of the Filipino now. My opinion is shared by many on the web. Even the ones who are not scammed. And that is this: The modern Filipina KNOWS that she can make BIG money online. Even the younger ones with HELP FROM THEIR MOM are scamming. This is big easy money to sucker foreigners with the lure of younger women. It seem to work great. THE SMARTER ones do not ask for money, cause then you know it’s a scam. The smarter one will orchestrate an event over a period of time. Slow enough to be undetectable. EVEN IF YOU VISIT. It is still a scam. I visited 2x. The scam (if it was) took place not while I was present. Of course.

    The foreinger is at a great disadvantage. He does not understand the language. Does not know the family. Can only take words at their meaning. Even with TIME and waiting. I guess the ONLY recourse is to NEVER give money at all. Period. I KNOW This to be true. I know men here who marry their gal. And even after 10 years of being married the gals family still try to scam them. I know this. I have testimony of these men. The difference is these men are smarter than me. They do not give. So I guess no matter what Filipina you marry, you will always have to struggle with the 1. Desire to help 2. The family members to want more. 3. And other things too.

    I once had a Filipina neighbor, nice lady, who would have Christmas dinners for the neighbors with her family. This was 10 years go. She would not consider me for relation. I wondered why? My conclusion was she wanted prince charming the doctor. Money. I was not resentful, I figure so what. BUT HERE IS THE RUB. That same nice gal (about age 29) introduce me to her friend. Her friend was a FILIPINA who married an American here. Appearently the man was in a accident and could not perform sexually anymore.

    So in reality I was introduced to a married Filipina! I was shocked as I do not cheat. No want a cheater. Well, that gal who was married was looking for a way out of her dead-sex marriage. She wanted a man who could perform.

    MY POINT?

    I DO NOT BELIEVE about the unfailing faithfulness of the Filipina — THEY ARE LIKE ALL OTHER WOMEN — They are the same. Same desires, same good character, same bad character. The only difference is the culture.

    BUT ONCE HERE, the culture is different and they adapt. I would now way that marragie to a Filipina is the same as any culture. You odds of success are the SAME. No better or worse. So why bother? The only lure was the age difference, in my case about 10 years. But that can be had even here.

    I GUESS I AM JUST bitter for the rip-off, the lure, the tandom work of the family, and I am not even sure it was a scam, but it feels like it was

    Thanks for listening.

    THANK for the comments.

    I Will have to reconsider this buying thing. It seem insane to spend 20K to buy a woman. Even for me that is crazy. Though I do not agree with that accessment, I do have to think about it, cause I have heard that 2x now.

    No more picking here, its all gone!

20. OFW on May 1st, 2008 7:40 am

    ellumbra bombarded me with comments and i put them all in spam

21. A Filipino bystander on May 1st, 2008 9:49 am

    @ Ripe for Picking,
    You can try telling that to all the foreigners happily married to a Filipina, I’m sure they will have to disagree.
    Yes, based on your story, it was really very unfortunate for you to experience such sad encounters with Filipina women. And I get it that you are not alone. You say you have the tesimonies of many men scammed by a Filipina. I say, there are many more testimonies of men who experienced true love from women from the Philippines. One would be my uncle (a foreigner) who married my mom’s sister. They’re so happy now with their almost 20 years of marriage.
    Bottomline is, in our world there are lots of scammers, women who lure men to a world of false emotions, and feast on their riches - from the Philippines, and much much more from other countries. Men who are searching for partners online would just have to keep their guards up and act fast once alarm bells ring. I know for your part that it was difficult to assess the real situation. But you can if only you get to really know the person well first before investing emotions (and money) in your relationship. And if you still decide to offer money as a nice gesture, accept the fact that that was your decision and you accept the risks involved. Now if you eventually realize that your effort to win her love was wasted or if you found out it was all a trick, you should remember that you’re taking risks in the first place. Dating a total stranger will always be filled with risks.
    Another thing is you have to realize that you are not looking at the whole picture. There are still women who are genuinely seeking love and commitment - women from all countries, and of course from the Philippines. Many of them already got their fairy tale ending with their prince. You see, the world can be bad, but more likely, it can be good.
    Lastly , yes you are being bitter (and its understandable). Thats why you’re now viewing the Filipina women in general in a negative way. Again it’s really unfortunate that your experiences with filipina women are all disastrous. If only you had better luck like my uncle did.

22. a Filipino bystander on May 1st, 2008 11:01 am

    By the way, I love your 18 signs list. Lol. You know what, you finally understood what tim cumper has been trying to explain to us from the start! Now I know, I really don’t need any proof to tell me I’m being scammed. All I need is this 18 signs list!
    I hope there will be a part two. If you do, you can include these:

    19. If there is a beautiful Filipina actress involved and you can’t get her number, you have been scammed.
    20. If foreigners like yourself are actually thinking you are paranoid,not scammed then you have been scammed.
    21. If you find yourself to be the only victim of this scam in the whole wide world/universe, you are definitely scammed.
    22. If there is a blurry video of the scar but your Jim’s superduperultraelectromagneticspectralanalyzer showed it was only pentel pen, you have been scammed.
    23. If you don’t have the slightest idea how IP addresses really work, then you have been scammed.
    Lastly,
    24. If you live an unhappy, tiring life full of deceit and lies, definitely, you have been scammed!

23. Lloyd on May 1st, 2008 8:23 pm

    Ripe for Picking

    Your post is well mannered and deserves an equal response.

    I think you were scammed, but you have now “joined the
    club” and hopefully will not make that mistake again.
    But you were not the first, and will not be the last.
    The common cry amongst the ones headed that way,
    “Not my girl, she is different”.

    First rule: NEVER send money. I agree that this is sometimes
    hard to comply with, but it will only cause problems.

    1. You will never be sure if she loves you or the money.
    2. She may be the most trustworthy individual, but people
    around her may not be, and have extreme persuasion powers.
    3. You place her in a bad situation. People with money are
    expected to share. In Philippine culture it’s bad manners
    to say “NO”.
    4. She survived, maybe not in style, long before you
    started sending money.
    5. Lastly, no self respecting person wants a hand-out, if
    you find one that says, “don’t send money”.
    Listen to her… she really means it.

    Second rule: Be wary of on-line dating sites, and Yahoo
    chat girls. Of course we can’t paint every girl on those
    sites as scammers. But we can be sure they know their
    way around the internet, and are actively seeking a
    foreigner for friendship or more.

    Next is how can a Filipina that looks, sounds, and acts
    so innocent ever think of scamming someone? Good question.
    I can only speculate, and poverty may be a cause.
    But then there are plenty that live in poverty and do not scam.
    Maybe it is just the girl, and the technology now allows
    her to reach around the world in search of a victim.

    You are 100% correct that the foreigner is at a great
    disadvantage. You are never sure what is being said,
    if people are who they say they are, and most important,
    why the woman is attracted to you, and bottom line, does
    she have an ulterior motive. All quite challenging when
    trying to develop a relationship.

    In closing I will quote you:
    “THEY ARE LIKE ALL OTHER WOMEN — They are the
    same. Same desires, same good character, same bad character.
    The only difference is the culture”.

    To add what I feel is the final sentence:
    “But when you do find the that special filipina,
    and she is by your side, you will know you have the best.”

    In all reality she is probably not internet savvy,
    not out actively seeking a foreigner, and probably happy
    living her life somewhere deep in the province. Your odds of
    finding her on the dating sites, with nicknames of
    “sexy4you” or “hotbody” is pretty slim.

24. jepoy on May 2nd, 2008 8:42 am

    lol.. oh hai tim cumper :~)

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26. Beng on May 5th, 2008 2:16 pm

    Hi Don, thanks for visiting ;). Itong si Lolo pala na may tuyo sa ulo ay pabalik-balik sa site ko. Siguro nagustuhan niya ang inodoro. Hehehe! But he no longer left any comment.

    Pag ako ininis niya, baka ipasok ko pic niya doon mismo sa toilet bowl na yon.

27. jepoy on May 5th, 2008 5:06 pm

    @beng - pssst.. translate your comment to english… Sir Don’s from the USA

28. reynz on May 5th, 2008 11:58 pm

    hahaha! i was going to say that too Jepoy! hehehe!

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